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and this is weapons

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the public knows a lot about the role of

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Lou Elizondo both in blowing the story

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wide open and and trying to get a bigger

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program and in bringing some of the

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aviators and other Witnesses escorting

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them to Congress he and Chris Mellon

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work on pushing that uh that ball down

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the field uh Jay Stratton is the unsung

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hero who is working in uh obscurity but

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doing the really the important stuff

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um and this was he didn't have a program

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it wasn't called the UAP task force it

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was after that New York Times story and

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Congress starts asking questions that he

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was putting in charge of an inquiry you

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know to try to pull all the different

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strings together to to start pulling

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information together and cases and and

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getting a structure of an organization

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that became the UAP task force later on

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Json started the UAP task force and that

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was huge for transparency on the subject

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I do want to say you're like he's the

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unsung hero I gotta say though Lou gets

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a lot of grief that is not it's not

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valid grief he's really endured a lot of

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slings and arrows as you say so it's

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like you know being a hero in this ain't

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what it cracked up to be maybe I mean

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it's you know he is to me absolutely a

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hero to this topic and I think uh it's

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important what what he's done I think

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Jay coming forward with us on camera I

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think I hope he is treated uh

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differently because man he's done great

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things and now the public is going to

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learn about them well you'll remember

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end of 2020 Congress says we want a

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program in fact we want to report you

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got here's the legislation we want that

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report you got six months to write it so

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January

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uh Jay's organization starts working on

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it the UAP task force we're going to put

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this report together yeah and it's

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precisely that moment he gets yanked out

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of it and it looked really suspicious I

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remember I reported on it

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exactly the time when you need him most

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when the most experienced guy in the U.S

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government on the UFO mystery is taken

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out of it and given another job but he

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he actually was supposed to be doing

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that job all along this was a temporary

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he had left there they didn't have a

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full-time position they didn't have any

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full-time positions didn't have a budget

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here put this report together for

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Congress and I think they did a

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remarkable job in six months to get it

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together that's right and and he had two

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people that were putting this report

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together and I do agree it was a

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phenomenal job he even talked about why

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in the interviews with us he even talked

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about why he started in 2004 rather than

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going back all the way through UFO

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history everybody's like why did you

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start in 2004 and he explains that

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really well there's a clip of it

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so you get a lot of

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you know I said on numerous occasions

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right trust is important you can't and

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you know I think it was Colin Powell

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that said you can't surge Trust

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the minute you're you're I mean we're

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already 70 years behind the power curve

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for trust right because everybody says

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the government's lying to us right and

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that the whole Blue Book thing and the

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um Roswell thing killed killed trust

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um very good reason why not to even go

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there right and and this whole

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discussion you know the task force and

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everything else we kind of started 2004

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right is as Mr Bray said in the in the

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Congressional hearings uh you got to

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start somewhere and uh it might

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recommendation when I created is that

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start date is important because that was

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the first case in recent history where I

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had pilot reporting and data right back

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to the data but you take all that that

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trust and then you get this bureaucratic

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machine that is the Department of

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you know this is an interagency hold

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government so now you're talking about

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Congress and you're talking about all

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the other departments your dhs's and

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your transportation right with FAA and

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everybody else like you gotta have

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uh a singular message and that's why one

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of the task force to have its own

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spokesperson so that we're briefing

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as much as we can of what we're dealing

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with but so you get this whole machine

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and no matter how hard you try email is

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not the best communication method right

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and hardly anybody picks up the phone

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these days so what would happen to me is

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I would see a response from the dod

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spokesperson that and I would say oh my

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gosh like why do we say that right you

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come back and you try to clean up but

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there's no cleaning up at that point so

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it's it was all that circular and then

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you had agendas right you still had uh I

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think you're probably aware of Lou's

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previous on you know and you know you

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had that happening and that was also

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manipulating and driving because again

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DOD is very ranked conscious rank

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structured organization right so if

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someone senior is telling you to do

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something and it's not illegal they're

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probably you know don't want to risk

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things and go with it so I think you had

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some of that going on now I'll tell you

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even as the head of the task force I

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didn't I didn't get into those Politics

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on purpose uh in fact I I went back to

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my old days of Defense intelligence

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agency when I was saying you were

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nationally funded and I need to make an

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assessment that isn't manipulated by

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politics which is actually the law now

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following 9 11.

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I stuck to my guns that I I am here to

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you know working on behalf of the Intel

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Community to give the American people an

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answer and on numerous occasions anytime

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someone tried to play the rank game I

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would just stick to my guns essentially

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the idea that he would choose a date

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where they have a great amount of

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systems data and move forward from there

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it makes total sense and I I think that

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was a very smart move I'm sure there is

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historic data that we can look at now

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but I think that was a great starting

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point so that was very cool when he did

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that and the two people that he tasked

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with with doing that report again did a

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remarkable job there's something else he

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did that you and I have referenced in

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various reports without attributing it

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to him in any way because he couldn't

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couldn't use his name but

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that was put together and it was an

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accumulation of all these cases that Jay

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and his colleagues had been

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investigating and a lot of them were had

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included video and um and photos and

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things of that sort and he put this

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together as a briefing prison invitation

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for higher ups in the Pentagon for

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members of Congress for defense

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contractors when they and for the

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intelligence community and he made the

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case hey this is real this is a genuine

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matter we need to take a look at it I

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piece of information but some of the

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document it's it's classified but some

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not classified right I mean we'll be

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clear because we've been clear all along

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the way is as journalists obtaining and

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releasing unclassified information is

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absolutely fine no designation nothing

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contained within something classified I

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that uh and it was confirmed by the

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Pentagon that stuff that that we ended

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up releasing especially regarding the

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the 2019 events on the west coast which

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and I I think that the the key thing

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that you've you've got this audio visual

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presentation that is being shared within

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multiple intelligence agencies

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why the reason why appears to be to in

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to destigmatize

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to acclimate people to the possibility

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of how do you report this and to

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encourage reporting going right back up

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the chain of Clan where it should go

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which is a smooth and cool process

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problem was they didn't respond a lot to

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people when they would report it up and

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they realized that was an error and that

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they should give feedback so people know

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these reports are going somewhere we're

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taking them seriously

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just over classify stuff and people have

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to do an NDA because something was seen

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or picked up and they they have to go

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through the the process of getting past

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the ndas which I don't know he ever got

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but I think that's important moving

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forward for you know for Arrow if it's

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going to do some great work